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Outright Mental Defective
Sunday, August 28, 2005
  Joan's Son
I need to write about something that really disturbed me in an A.A. meeting on Friday. To understand the incident however, you are going to need some background. Do you remember a few weeks ago when I talked about the bloodless coupe at the Monday morning Big Book meeting. I talked about a woman named Joan who stormed out never to return because she was “too old to wait for everyone else to talk.” Well evidently Joan stormed back into the morning meetings while I was on vacation.

When it was Joan’s to share at the Friday morning meeting, Joan talked about her son. Joan often talks about her son. He is her only child. She was married to a man much, much older than her. He died when this boy was nine years old. This boy is now in his late 20’s and finishing up his PhD in psychology. Most mothers would be happy with a son getting his doctorate. Joan however, is never happy with what this poor kid has done or is doing. I know this because talks about him and everything that is “wrong” with him in great length in meeting.

So Friday morning the meeting was on the second step. It is Joan’s turn to share and she launches in on her son. I thought it was just going to be the usual linty of complaints but she then said that she something I have never heard at an A.A. meeting. Joan said that she was praying for her son to die. She actually told a room full of about 20 sober alcoholics that she prays for this gifted, healthy young man to die. It turned my stomach. I wanted to gather up my son, who was coloring in the T.V. room and flee. Her stated reason for praying for his death is that he suffers from depression and is on medication. “If he is going to live his life like that,” she told us “he might as well be dead.”

I would like to tell you that I talked to her after the meeting and intervened somehow but, I did not. I did not know what to say or who to say it to.
 
Comments:
I've often heard it said that "some are sicker than others."

I'm still not sure which category I fall into. Hopefully not hers.
 
What I hear is that she herself is very disturbed and unhappy. Her perception of the world is very negative. She has probably not reaped the full benefit of working the 12 steps and she is hurting. I doubt she wants him dead. I hear her saying that she doesn't want him to hurt. Remember that many of us alcoholics, before we get well (and she is still in some state of PRE being well) believe that if we could just die it would be better. In that mindset, death = peace. She is wishing that for him -- he hurts, and if he could die the hurt would go away. Because she hasn't found the REAL solution in her own life, she can't see any good ones for others either.

Of course, I'm going on your description, I wasn't there, and may be off base. I try, however, always to put myself in someone else's shoes: "There but for the Grace of God go I"
 
Hope her son does not live with her and is far enough removed that he would be safe if she decided to take some action to end his life. Would be interesting to hear from others that were in that meeting. That kind of talk needs to be stopped immediately, imagine if some newcomer heard that. Sick, sick woman.
 
Wow, I can't imagine any mother saying or even thinking such a thing. I feel for him and hope God can help her.
 
To clarify she lives in CT and he lives 1 ½ to 2 hours away in Boston. So I don’t think she is in any real physical danger. He is also getting his PhD in counseling psychology so he evidently has found good in his mother’s craziness.

I think Friday’s outburst has a lot to do with Joan not being able to accept the fact that he is gay. She blames his sexuality on his high school girlfriend.

You are right Scott we should have intervened.
 
Wow, that is distrubing. But you know what I have heard some crazy ass shit in some AA / NA meetings that have nothing at all to do with a person's addiction to alcohol or drugs. It is like people bring all their problems there. But I can't help but think if this people were using or drinking what would have happened to "the slut that slept with my husband" or "the bitch who stole my cd's" or "the fucker son-in-law"...you get the picture. Just recently in a meeting I piped up and said (out of turn mind you) "Exactly WTF does that have to do with you being an alcoholic and you know what tough shit you still can't drink"....I got applause. O.K. I'm shutting up now.
Peace,
JJ
PS: I'm in Boston ... I'll protect him from the evil mom!
 
Throw some guacamole at him JJ!!
Throw some guacamole at him.
 
Yeah! Applauding JJ! Wish I had been there.
 
I'm applauding JJ too. We are just too whimpy here in the CT burbs.
 
Oh my Lord she does need help, I cant help wondering if she is the direct cause of her sons problems, can you imagine being brought up by someone capable of even thinking that? I feel for them both. Suzannes take on it is very interesting, I wouldnt have the compassion to have thought that. Thanks Suzanne!
 
Suzanne is the lovely lady from One Drunk to Another blog?
 
Wow!! She's nuts even by the major-league standards of us drunks.

Right on, JJ! How much of an oldtimer do you have to be to get away with telling morons to shut the phunk up in a meeting??
 
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